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Furry camps - My experience at World Wild Fur Camp

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Spring is in the air and the snow is melting. Gone are the seasons where furs bundle up in their homes, and here are the days where they come out to frolic in the sunshine. But perhaps instead of going to a big city to a stuffy hotel, you may be interested to know that there are other fur gathering styles that are becoming a bigger staple in the furry fandom.

The fur camps are gatherings that take place in parks and other such outdoor facilities that put emphasis on connecting the fur with a bit more of the rural wilds than the urban jungles. Camp Feral!, which takes place in Algonquin leads the pack with estimates of around up to 200 guests. Today I go over my first experiences with one of these cons, and how they differ from their hotel-bound cousins: World Wild Fur Camp, which took at a YMCA camp just north of Cincinnati Ohio in the fall of 2018.

A Camp; not a Con

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One thing was made particularly clear to those that had slipped up to call the gathering in Ohio a convention, “This is a ‘camp’, not a ‘convention’”. With that in mind I have to note that while would have been the smallest “convention” I had attended, I now have to say it’s the smallest weekend gathering instead with a head count of around fifty attendees.

The cool thing about such a smaller meet like this is that you actually get to know your fellow attendees in a way in which a crowded convention would not allow. To those that like to get lost in the crowd, there is no crowd to get lost in here. There are, however, woods to get lost in. But if you don’t want to draw attention to yourself with people sending out search parties after you, that is not recommended. It was overheard that one such overzealous scavenger hunter, searching for the pages left by “slenderfox” got in too deep and had to be retrieved during the gathering’s initial days.

Which brings up the concept of the buddy system, having someone you check in with or keep tabs on would be in your best interest. They don’t have to be a babysitter but you should at least have someone know where you are off to. If you are to go exploring, having someone with a good sense of direction can help. In fact this isn’t a bad idea for the more urban conventions either.

Also, this may go without saying, but if you are not fond of outdoor activities then this kind of furry gathering may not be for you. Though, I do have to say this due to the fact I heard from one guild leader that they were told by one of their members that “they were not into the outdoors” and they were staying in the cabin as he was out walking the paths. So don’t make the same mistake.

Bringing the Stuff

The supplies I brought with me were what I would normally bring to an urban con, which for me is not that much. This was a mistake. luckily the person I had brought along with me was more an outdoorsy sort, so he had brought a bunch of items that became instantly useful to the guild in various ways. Some items of use to consider bringing that you normally would not bring would include:

  • Water Bottle/Canteen/Thermos - To bring water with you, as there are not going to be watering stations scattered like in urban cons. A way to easily drink it in costume if you have one. For WWFC though I’d avoid “silver” canteens that are stereotyped for carrying alcohol since the facility is a dry one.
  • Power strip and USB Chargers - To charge your phones and be able to plug in multiple devices. The cabins tend to have few outlets. So designating a station for the cabin will become necessary to keep the cell phones charges for those emergency moments.
  • Medkit - Basic bandages and medicines. Technically you should probably have these for urban cons as well, but with less connectivity, good medic supplies become all the more vital.
  • Toiletries - Most people who attend conventions typically bring their own shampoo and soaps anyway, however if you do take advantage of those that the hotels provide for you, you aren’t going to get those here. There is running water so you can take your one shower a day, but you’ll need to bring your own soap. And some water resistant flip-flops to avoid the foot fungus is a must.
  • Fursuit Cleaning Supplies - While in a more sterile environment you can do with just a brush, some glue and sewing supplies and leave the rest of your kit at home you may want to be ready to clean out the dirt on site if you plan on using the suit outdoors. If you don’t want to risk getting it dirty though, perhaps leaving the suit at home would be more advised.

If you have connections with your other guild members you can designate certain members to bring particular needed items to help avoid holes and redundancies in your guild’s supplies. Other quality of life things depend on what you want out of the trip. S’more sticks, and general fireside supplies are an option. Just don’t bring any natural woods from off site, as you don’t want to introduce bugs from out of area to the locals. Seriously, the grounds keepers will be unhappy, as will the local governments. If you want natural wood you’ll have to find fallen wood along the trails on site. If you wish for more water than fire, then bring fishing supplies could be a good idea if that’s your catch.

With these items you can get a bit creative as well, as campers will tell you that you have to be in some cases. Since my tail tends to drag if it’s just left hanging, my fox friend was able to jury rig a way to keep my tail off the ground using some fishing hook, some wire, and a clip. This kept the leaves and debris out of the tail for the most part. Of course he taunted that he’d attach a light up lure or bobber to it next time. Luckily anthro-fish furs are rare enough that I wouldn’t have to worry about getting my tail bit in that case, but it’s a risk I’d have to be wary of.

Differing Arrangements

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One of the bigger differences between the rural convention and the urban one would be the sleeping arrangements. At this site the cabins had three rooms, each with a handful of bunk beds in them. In this manner you could be sharing a room with anywhere from six to ten furs if the room is full. This is opposed to the four maximum generally allowed for a hotel room. So if you’re a bit skittish about sharing a room with that many people, of which some will more than likely be strangers that you didn’t have contact with before the gathering, then you may want to think carefully about going forward with this. See the above suggestion of having one person you for sure know and trust joining you in your guild so that you don’t feel too isolated.

In addition, there is no room service here to clean up after your (or others’) messes. For those of you who don’t make a mess that’s going to be a benefit as you don’t have to leave money each day to someone to basically walk in and fluff your pillows. Unfortunately if you’re most of the variety of furs that I’ve roomed with, who seem to make a huge mess in a very short period of time, that means you’re going to have to put on your big-boy pants and clean up after yourself.

In essence, it’s as a sign at the facility says, you get out of camp what you put into it. So try and come up with a system to prevent large messes from accumulating in the first place and then you can spend your time doing more enjoyable things. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

There are other things to note about this particular gathering as well. Alcohol is not allowed in any way shape or form on the property, which can be a saving grace or a deal breaker depending on the furry. For those who do like to drink you can go off site to the local bars, of which there is a selection, given a large brewery is located only a block and a half away.

It’s important to also highlight since the beds are smaller bunk beds and there is no real way to prevent people entering the rooms with little warning, if you’re another kind of thirsty this also may not be the best convention to be ‘quenched’ in that metaphorical sense either. Such activity is certainly not impossible, but it would be pretty cramped and prone to the possible incidental walk-in. But I suppose if it’s going to happen “life finds a way”, as Jeff Goldblum may say.

In return for some of these inconveniences, the price you see is the price you get, it is very possible to get away with the just the $115 registration and travel expenses if you plan things well enough. No additional costs like meals, room and board, parking, and so on. In addition, without a full on dealers den pawing for your cash you are likely to spend less on trinkets as well. You could buy knick-knack to support the facility, however.

The included meals were decent for the most part. If you’re a connoisseur you’re not going to be writing ballads of it, however I would rate the food better than those you would receive at on-site concessions at the urban cons. You know, those overpriced snack food or hamburger stands they typically have right near their dealers dens? I will say that the coffee the YMCA had on site was pretty dang good coffee. Hot as a volcano eruption when it leaves the spigot so you’d have to wait a good fifteen minutes before you could risk putting it down your muzzle, but well worth that wait.

Logistical Challenges

I had an opportunity to speak with the chair for a few minutes, when she wasn’t running around. One of the things she wasn’t quite prepared for, it seemed, was the amount of “VIP” sponsors there were. This can probably be attributed to the low cost differential of 30 dollars between the regular and sponsor tickets. It seemed the VIPs outnumbered the regular attendees creating logistical challenges, particularly around the sponsor dinner, which ran a bit late and whose menu was a bit different than advertised. If people were hoping to get to converse with the guest of honor instead of their fellow VIPs, they were going to be sorely disappointed.

This is no different than any other convention’s sponsor dinner, however. The only other “VIP” experience I had was at Fur the’More’s second year where they had opened up the sponsor dinner up to people since there were no shows. In this one, likewise, many of the guests sat at their own tables, usually far and away from the honored guest. Just don’t go in expecting you’ll get access just because you’re in the same room and you’ll be fine.

One of the other challenges that they had to adapt to was with the guilds. Some guilds had many people while others had few. In fact, the guild that was Pokémon-themed only had their guild leader. To help them deal with the challenges of the games alone, the guild leader was allowed to have the YMCA staff as part of his team. This gave him a good advantage since it is their home turf. In the end, apparently, they were a bunch of board game nerds who ‘ran the board’ and got many points doing that activity clinching them the victory in the end. Proving the Pokémon guild leader was the very best, where no one ever was.

Further from people, but more humanizing

Being further away from the bustle of large amounts of people has its advantages. You get to know your fellow fur attendee more thoroughly. I mean, I actually got to talk with the guest of honor briefly, which typically never happens. While my short conversations with my fellow YouTuber didn’t cover much ground, I was one of the last furs to see Mark Barks with his beard before he shaved it off and grew it back, so there was that.

There are many activities that you can partake in, including archery, rock climbing, heck you can even fly around your drones without having the cops on your butt about it being a no fly zone. As you participate you earn points for your guild, who you will learn about over the course of your weekend. For instance one of the ladies in my guild was quite the marksman with a bow, while I, well I'm no Robin Hood.

You can also gather around the campfire for more intimate conversations. Out of fursuit of course, those things are flammable. One topic I had brought up was “who do you think the worst singer at Karaoke was?”. The first reply, by Delta, a young artist from Indiana, was “that guy who sang [Gorillaz's] 'Clint Eastwood'.”

An awkward silence filled the air as I looked back to my fox pal who couldn’t help but snort. Let’s just say one of the best parts about fursuiting is that when you’re out of suit people are going to be brutally honest about your performance in it if they are unaware that you were the performer. There’s a reason I don’t sing for a living, I guess I should just continue writing instead.

In the end, if you want to have a good time in a more relaxed space and get away from the hustle and bustle of the high intensity conventions, you should most certainly check your local area for a fur camp. Or start one of your own. Just remember the buddy rule and you’ll be fine.

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I've always wanted to go to something like this, but I had no idea it existed. I hope to have a big furry camping experience in the future.

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They exist.. they even have one in that shithole South Africa- that one is notorious for its gang bangs.

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Why would you call South Africa a shithole? Sure, the majority are black, but at least the POWER is white. That's what counts for your kind, right?

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Huh...?

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you really have no clue what is happening there do you? Think Zimbabwe

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So there are two possibilities here:

1) You're actually Donald Trump, if so, man shouldn't you be golfing or something?

2) You're emulating Donald Trump in hopes that if you use the same "politically correct" language he does that you too will someday be like him. If that's the case, I regret to inform you that the secret sauce to Mr. Trump is that his daddy was rich and emulating his verbiage will not give you the same privileges he has.

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Actually, I've always thought of it a different way. And by always, I mean like, some time during the Bush/Post-9/11 era and at the time it was more "Libertarians" I was thinking of. They're really among the lowest of the low, or pretty close to it, middle to lower-middle class at most, most of them. And their thinking is if they conform perfectly enough, "when the revolution comes", while WE'LL be first against the wall, and assuming they support that too, they'll be rewarded. What with, exactly? Our ill-gotten gains, whatever they are, like, the social safety nets and various "passes" we supposedly have that they don't, because no way could we be struggling as bad as they are if not worse. Not realizing their "reward" will be to serve as cannon-fodder in whatever form said revolution takes. And then cannon fuel. And then their very carbon atoms repurposed as actual cannon-balls and actual cannons.

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Unfortunately dear Tantroo McNally, I am not your president that you voted for.
Can I call you Cheese puff instead?
Incidentally I wanted to vote for Fidel Castro but I then realised I was in the wrong country for that. Whoopsie ;-)
How tight is that fursuit getting these days? Might wanna lay off the cheeseburgers there bro

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I wear a partial, my body weight has not impact on the wear-ability of my suit ;P

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Just as well... gotta keep McDonalds shareholders' happy

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More a Burger King guy myself, clowns scare me.

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Honestly not surprised. But wait.. isn't it against your moral code to eat burgers... you're eating *other animals*

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Whoo.. can you imagine all the fur suit sex that took place at this venue.
I am sure they had to clean the place down with scrubbing and washing semen from the curtains, the walls, and the trees...
What an orgy!

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There was like 15 fursuiters at most, of which I was one of them. So either I wasn't invited or there wasn't one. My hope is that it was the latter, because then I would be offended for not being even given the opportunity to say "no thanks."

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Lawl.. guilty conscience...

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Based on reading his posts and sitting at least part way through some of his videos (I try, Sonious, but as good a writer as you are you can't talk worth a damn) I think he has a guilty conscience the way you're just an innocent bystander.

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I wasn't even going to comment on this article except to say I kinda wish I could go to something like this because it seems like a nice middle ground between a big chaotic and noisy convention and a tiny furmeet where it's probably pointless unless you like bowling. But the only other thing I could think to say was it's all but certain to be free of the sexual hijinx people expect from cons which is also a bonus for many. And I didn't really see much point in throwing my two cents in if all I was gonna do was just state the obvious without having much else to add unless I was going to pull something out of my ass.

And then you come along, and pull something out of your ass. And I get to shove that gloriously cultivated, foot-long prairie dog of a turd right back up in that ass. See, this is really why I post. Because I give a shit, except sometimes, I just don't. And you taking a shit MAKES ME give a shit, right back up into you, and it feels as good as taking a shit myself.

I guess you're good for something!

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what the fuck...?

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Its easy sweety, just get naked, and tell your guy he can enter.
Then its a real fuck, not one with a plastic phallus.

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^ When you definitely know how sex works

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your experience in that department is very lacking, sadly. I think the day you get laid properly, you'll realise that this is not worth your time. Until then, you'll bask here in all the attention because that attention, you get here, compensates for lack of intercourse

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Who the fuck are you talking to.. or is this more self rambling

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Okay, the best part of the whole "fursuit orgy" thing is that, from what evidence I've seen of orgies at furry conventions on sites like PoE or CYD (and to be clear, they're not common at all, but they apparently do happen, or did happen once or twice), the thing is they're just ... orgies. They don't wear fursuits.

It's really weird, actually.

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A porn site might be more helpful to you in your...imagination...than a news and reviews website.

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In the same way a real man (or woman) would be more helpful to you

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I am married.

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Yeah sure you are, keep telling yourself that sweety.

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You're really quite bad at this, you know.

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Still better than you though, not a middle aged loser that has an obsession with walking around like the football mascot

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How old are YOU, though? I bet you won't even give a real answer. I'm 35, which given the life expectancy of people in my class/province might as well make me middle-aged. And sure, I'm a loser by a lot of measures. Hell, a lot of it might even be my own fault. And honestly, people like you make me feel less ashamed. Because I'd imagined we've probably both struggled through life in one way or another but only one of us has been a complete fucking coward through it all.

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I am older than you, by ten years.
I am not the coward though, and even if I was I wouldn't stoop to your level

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU'RE FUCKING 45 BITCH
FORTY! FIVE!
H AHAHAHAHAHAHA why are you even here?

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Don't laugh too hard, we don't want your vagina to come flying out through your mouth

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Oh Nigger Please...

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Lol you wish

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Yeah, wish you would. And that's another one that don't mean what you think.

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You have no idea what I think actually. But I will spell it out.
I sincerely wish you furfags would take your shit off the net, and die in a fire, like the song says

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Pretty funny to see where peoples minds are fixated after the topic was fairly disposed of,

It’s important to also highlight since the beds are smaller bunk beds and there is no real way to prevent people entering the rooms with little warning, if you’re another kind of thirsty this also may not be the best convention to be ‘quenched’ in that metaphorical sense either. Such activity is certainly not impossible, but it would be pretty cramped and prone to the possible incidental walk-in. But I suppose if it’s going to happen “life finds a way”, as Jeff Goldblum may say.

Gotta say the outdoors is good for ventilating sweaty activities, and you're less likely to get mosquito bite butt or ticks on your dick, although don't do it where a park ranger might walk into you and shut down the event. Normal people never do or talk about such activities of course, time to scream about THE FANDOM!!1!

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I wouldn't say that any of you qualify to fall under the description of "normal people".
Normal people don't go around wearing fursuits.

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People like you are why people come to reject the idea of normal. But we're totally playing ourselves when we let you define that word for us. Because at best, you're only normal on the outside and I wouldn't bet the farm on that being true either.

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I am likely far more successful than you. First of all I don't need a "fursona" to feel my worth in the world, nor do I have to prance around dressed like the football mascot. You see, furries are all the same, and I will summarize:

* Social outcasts aka losers
* Have mental disorders
* Are perverted, some are even animal fuckers and pedos
* Poor, always wanting stuff for free, and leeching off of long suffering parents and family but by jove, gotta spend a fortune on a fursuit and smutty art
* Extremely on the edge of the gene pool, usually very stupid too, for the most part.
* Need to be led by a leader, one who is usually an alpha male that has delusions of grandeur
* Are usually homophobic
* Love drama and causing trouble, its an obsession

Need I go on? Probably not...

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Actually, yes, you DO need to go on. You need to go on to explain who and what it is YOU are and do that makes you successful instead of relying on "I'm LIKELY" more successful than you. I was LIKELY to turn into a lot of pretty horrible things based on my upbringing and socioeconomic status. I became virtually none of them. You need to go on to actually prove something innate about furries, some inherent traits we have that you simply never, ever find in the general population. Furries have been trying for as long as I've known them. I'VE tried. I just gave up, because it's futile. All you go on to do after introducing yourself as "likely more successful than you" is basically describe a fandom version of the Welfare Queen, which itself is all but (black) historic myth. You need to go on to do better than that or go on up out of here. Or go on to make that website because that alone would make you more successful than me in at least a few areas.

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Triggered butthurt special snowflake... your parents are calling.. you spend too much time in the basement fapping to anthropomorphic porn

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Christ, even KiwiFarmers make better attempts to look like, you know, not what you are. Random magic salad mewlings exceptional individual.

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"Who's scruffy looking?"

But seriously, you engaged in coded sexual-harassing verbiage (pet names, asking to engage privately, etc.) to one of our colleagues, while trying to say the world would be better if more people were like you? I think it's not us who have illusions of grandeur.

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I'd rather die of a terrible debilitating disease than come close to ANY of you. And I mean it.

You've just provided evidence of how fucked up you all are... reading sexual harassment into me putting people in their place. Jesus christ.
All you lot do is think about dick and sex.. its quite evident now. My god, there's more to life than fucking each other, did you know that?

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Point A: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sweetie

Point B: https://www.flayrah.com/7598/furry-camps-my-experience-world-wild-fur-camp#comme...

It's possible you don't understand the social connotations of your words when you speak, it may be why you don't have a job... or at least the steady kind of work where you can comment here on both days and weekends.

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I don't imagine you have a job either, seeing that you can spend so much time here. Pot calling the kettle black and all that.

But I forgot, this thing is supposedly a lifestyle. And your parents probably still pay your way

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Then I'll allow you to be comforted by your imagination. I just have weekends off you see. I just spend my free time differently than you, even if I have less of it.

The reason I spend time on here is because I enjoy my community, and it's cheaper than using my free time to give money to corporations to entertain me. I do so by improving my skills in my free time which works in symbiosis with the skills I will need on my job.

Furry is merely a part of my life. It works in symbiosis with my regular life to improve myself. Same with my gaming hobby. If a game isn't giving me something new, I find it a waste. And there have been a lot of wasteful games coming out. Which are just as much of a money sink, if not more, than furry. I buy one costume and I'm set for a decade. You buy a PC, and three consoles and you only get five year out of them.

But let's face facts there are furries and gamers alike who dive too deeply financially and end up in debt from their hobbies. Once again, there is no morale superiority here.

But as a final note: I notice you didn't protest that you were not unemployed but instead utilized the whole: "I know you are but what am I?" tactic. Which makes me think I'm not wrong.

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Hey, be nice, he's South African, 25% of them don't have a job

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You're even more racist than I thought.

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An increasing consensus about sexual harassment is that IT'S ALL ABOUT "putting people in their place" and any sexual attraction is a distant second to that need at best. NO ONE here believes you have any sincere attraction to EquiVamp, just an obsession. EquiVamp clearly has some issues of her own, and people like you aren't good for anybody, but you can be downright poisonous to people like her. The age difference alone, for fuck's sake.

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That's rich coming from someone balls-deep in a fandom known for its sick sexual perversions.
I am a nobody which in itself is a beautiful thing.

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I’m Nobody! Who are you?
Are you – Nobody – too?
Then there’s a pair of us!
Don’t tell! they’d advertise – you know!

How dreary – to be – Somebody!
How public – like a Frog –
To tell one’s name – the livelong June –
To an admiring Bog!

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Would it be too much trouble for you to not talk about me like I'm not here?

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Funny you should ask that of me just now. Because lately I've been wanting to request something of you as well. Like, could you maybe not make yourself even harder to defend than you already are by constantly picking at somebody trying to stick up for you, where you clearly can't/won't stick up for yourself? Or do you think you actually DESERVE some of the shit you get? And even when it's not in that context, you just LOOK FOR THINGS to pick at me about in posts that have nothing to do with you, speaking where you are not needed and where your comments and criticisms contribute nothing but to draw attention to yourself. And yes, I'm already anticipating a "look whose talking" response from you for the times I throw quality out the window, but the difference is, I do it when I'm attacking the kinds of people who attack you, and you belittle me for pretty much no reason than because you're essentially a snot-nosed 7th grader with a chip on your shoulder and I just happen to be there in the room when you need someone to fling a spitball at.

So yes, sometimes, I talk about you like you're a child. But compared to me, you kind of are. You were born the same year I was just starting to come out of a mourning period for Eazy-E, and within that same year I would find myself mourning 2Pac even harder. Roughly a year after that I was just beginning to get my toes wet in the furry and therian communities. Fast forward to the present, I'm still mourning someone I knew. Could never fathom mourning a celebrity like that, like, can hardly even relate to my old self anymore. But the person I'm referring to was born the year my worldview was being shaped by The Gulf War, and it's really a fluke that me and her had enough in common in terms of interest and maturity levels to get along as well as we did given the age difference. You are, and always will be, 5 years her junior.

If you don't want to be treated like a child, stop acting like one. It's a cliche but it's true. When I was trying to figure out what your major malfunction is, I didn't delve too deep beyond your ED and WikiFur articles or even read much into what little was there but, frankly, you ought to just be grateful you narrowly escaped full-blown LOLCOW status, or that I don't care to know if you actually did, or care if you actually are considered one in some circles. The opinions of those kinds of people matter about as much to me as yours right now.

What I'm saying is, it seems like some people who knew you would say you're indefensible, and I don't agree just yet and what's frustrating is you could probably care less about that as long as you get some kind of attention so uh, yeah, don't worry from this point on. Problem solved. You can't just follow a non-engagement policy with people you don't like but I'm pretty good at that so I can do the ignoring for the both of us.

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Epic! Very well said

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EquiVamp at least deserves an explanation.
Go Fuck Your Father And Suck Your Mother.
That is all you get from here.

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In your dreams pall

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You're not very good at this either.

Even the fucking troll was smart enough to see the ED article he linked too got no reaction whatsoever, so they dropped that angle like it was hot.

You'll also notice the troll mostly posts in short, personal information free comments; do I need to explain this is not an accident? The troll is just trying to get a rise out of us without giving anything away to attack them back; fuck knows if they actually cares one way or another about furries. They're fucking not telling. The correct way to respond is in kind (okay, actually the most correct way to respond is not at all, but, yeah, we're bored too); short, personal information free comments, and certainly not long, personal information-filled confessions.

Note to troll: When I said earlier you're not very good at this, I meant that; you've got the basic tactics down, but you lack a certain amount of wit, and you've not capitalized on mistakes made by your targets here very well.

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I don't see it as a mistake. I'm not embarrassed, ashamed or particularly guilty in conscience about anything I reveal about myself. If I was, I wouldn't divulge. And there's little to nothing left I'm not willing to reveal about myself if it can serve some kind of purpose, which it often can. It's just a matter of where, when, why and how. Someone could dox the fuck out of me for all I care. After several decades of seeing the worst of the worst and the lowest of the low, having shared everything from forums to dorm rooms to apartments with them, frankly, I'm somewhat proud of how relatively normal and sane I turned out to be. Everything in life was pushing me to be much worse than I became. I guess that early-adolescent impulse to always push back just a little bit harder was very necessary.

Playing with this fuck up of a man, the worst analogy I can draw is that it's a bit like Napoleon Dynamite playing tetherball and working on his personal best. But I'll bore of him eventually. I'm just not done yet.

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Wolf-Bone, if you are striving for boring, I assure you, you can rest easy tonight knowing you have accomplished your goal.

Note to troll: THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT, YOU FUCKING HACK.

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I'm not striving for anything but to be myself. But let me point out something to you, that even our beloved troll here can't. About why furries fail. Because we should be on the same side here, but you can't resist the temptation to be a cunt the moment you see an opportunity or if the mood strikes you. And what sways you either way? When another furry disregards your criticisms of his person or simply just disagrees with you. You might be hiding it under a veneer of subtlety, but you're still chimping out. And then you point to the guy you're really supposed to be opposing, who you just got done telling us to ignore, as if looking for a hi-five. But he's going to leave you hanging.

Because cunts don't have communities, and that's what I've been saying for years, why the idea of a furry community unto itself is a retarded idea. Because most of you are cunts underneath your ridiculous costumes and cartoon characters, and you need to cling to these things because you have no genuine culture or identity of your own.

THIS is how you do it, YOU fucking hack.

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I think I changed my mind; I think this troll is pretty good.

Actually pretty masterful "shutting the fuck up" at the right moment.

(Still needs to work on the "actually being witty" thing, but if he keeps practicing, who knows?)

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That doesn't surprise me. You guys change your minds on the slightest whim, like a leaf driven by the wind. Consistently inconsistent. I've seen you take plenty of potshots at Rakuen, and maybe he deserved them, but it took him bringing up some actual history on the guy to get him to shut up for even five minutes. Just think about that for a minute.

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And he would have left weeks ago if you'd just shut the fuck up. In fact, if he's gone, why in the fuck are you still talking!

Meanwhile, I've made two comments in your direction this thread and you've called me a cunt twice.

Think about that.

(Also, troll guy, take notes. I told you this is how it's done!)

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Laying his entire presence squarely at my feet IS a cunt move, blood. At least I give credit to the one guy who used what does work, which is damning evidence. You gonna blame him for not dropping that bombshell weeks ago?

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No, I like Rakuen.

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And that's the only reason you won't criticize him, even if it's in the mildest way, like "hey thanks man but geeze, couldn't you have pointed that out days ago if you knew?". But you have no qualms talking like I'm single-handedly, personally responsible for a troll being a troll, and feeding the troll, when all of us were responding to him which included you.

Look, young brother, and this goes for a lot of you. The main reason, in some cases the only real reason I don't like you, is because you don't care about facts or responsibility or objectivity at any time except when it serves you personally or emotionally, and are aware of this, and still don't care.

And it's the common thread between you and the far right, the alt-right, and alt-furry, and whatever they are on sites like KiwiFarms. It's not even that I feel like I don't have to respect you, it's that it's impossible for me to respect you.

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See, this is what I'm talking about; I posted four words, you posted three paragraphs.

When dealing with a troll, you need to talk less. I guess you were so shocked and saddened by the death of Tupac or whatever that in the ensuing decades you missed the whole "don't feed the trolls" thing, but, dude, don't feed the trolls.

Now, to completely and utterly dismantle the above point, here is a long and rambling comment just for you!

The thing is, you don't have to respect me. Why should you? I don't need it. It's kind of the same thing that happened with the "defend yourself, Equivamp!" subthread; what the fuck does Equivamp need to defend? Or explain? Or whatever it is you want. I don't respect you. Uh, sorry. You're kind of new here, you're vaguely creepy, you get in fights with trolls, you lose fights with trolls, and you call me a cunt sometimes. I don't even like you that much, as far as random, semi-anonymous Flayrah posters go.

And yet you're kind of demand-y of our respect for you (which, not helping). I'm not even saying "earn it", because then this becomes an even weirder circle-jerk where you go "you haven't earned my respect" and then I go "well, you haven't earned my respect" and then the thing just devolves further. I'm saying we don't respect each other, because for all intents and purposes, we don't have a relationship with each other, and that's fine.

This is a troll; we get them all the time. For a while I thought maybe Rakuen was talking about Ahmar, but then I thought he had a way worse grasp of the English languages rules of grammar than this guy, but then maybe I was mixing up Ahmar with Diamond Man, and now it looks like it's a third troll all along I don't even know and/or remember, and that's my point. This guy isn't some existential threat to me or Flayrah or furry or whatever; it's just a thing that happens sometimes. I don't even know it I'm going to remember him in a week.

And I don't know if I'm going to remember you in a year; so don't hold your breath for my respect, okay. You don't need it; I don't know why you'd need to remember me in a year.

Flayrah's going to be fine no matter if this guy stays or goes; however, much like Equivamp doesn't need to defend shit, you don't really either. If you just want to feed the troll for the fuck of it, fuck, no one's stopping you. It would be pretty fucking hypocritical of most of the regulars, after all. I get it, you're bored and looking for action; I'm sure you were just sick of all the reasoned debated and measured discussion that was going on here before Just Nonsense (or whatever) showed up.

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Figure 1: A look at all the reasoned debate and measured discussion from before Just Nonsense (or whatever) showed up.

But if you're going to fight with the trolls, okay, maybe try to be a bit more clever and a bit less creepy, eschew excess verbiage, try a little less white knighting and maybe, just maybe, don't lose your shit every time one of the regulars doesn't personally give you an Internet blowjob just for showing up, okay?

Anyway, in conclusion, and to swing this miraculously on topic for once, I did not have a very good furry camping experience one time, and also, in case I don't see you until then, Happy Easter!

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I didn't read all the way because I thought it was pretty fresh to talk about using too many words then go ahead and do the exact same thing. But you're pretty upset about something. I thought that's the reaction you were trying to get out of me. Heh.

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Speaking of forgotten anons, Rakuen linking that thread below made me remember that "legendaryweredragon" guy, and could definitely tell why I don't really see 'em around anymore. Patch out here chasing off our anons w t f

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Whoah, not fair, my silly comment up there got 45 replies of unrelated drama with zero input from me. This place spirals down the drain on it's own just fine. Fun ride though :)

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I guess then by cross's definition, you are the #1 super troll!

Just say one thing and let it go.

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boooohoooooo
booooooooooooooohoooooo *sniff sniff sniff* boooohoooobooohoo
*sniff* *sniff* *sniff* mmmmmboooohoohoho

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For what it's worth, I did mention him months ago when he first showed up here.
https://www.flayrah.com/7422/con-report-eurofurence-24-aviators-%E2%80%93-conque...
It's just back then he was using yet another name(s).

But I'm not spending all my time following him around. If other people here want to play with trolls, that's their business. Unless people are using an account here, I am not interested in conversing with them.

"If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."
~John Stuart Mill~

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My point was certain people don't give a god damn about being right, they care about winning an argument, or just looking like they're winning. I'm not saying you should've had to have brought it up at all, just giving credit where it's due for knowing and saying something the rest of us couldn't.

Think I myself will be creating that proper account some time later today. I don't know what these people are like IRL but from what I've observed using this site for I think it's been about a year or so now, they're the type of person that gets behind the keyboard and basically become sociopaths.

Time to start writing instead of arguing with vanilla midgets and a block button should help avoid the distraction.

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You're actually gonna write something?

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It might be pertinent to point out that Middle eastern cuisine could be more in your taste band?

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Haha that's funny hey
You hide really well, even bragged on your own empire about how you installed Snowden-grade secured Linux OS on your mobibe, but then demand that others go here via their real identities. Jesus fuck, you've got one hell of a bloody cheek fire doggo. What makes you so special hey?

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Please.. get a room.. and find out what he is really like lol...
You will likely change your opinion after that enlightening experience ... haha

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He did seem to care about the furry fandom at one time. But was always a bit odd. Like he made a furry magazine which actually looked pretty good but it wasn't in any way sustainable. And he got involved in a some furry projects before sabotaging and getting kicked out of them all. His views on yiff were also really weird. At one point he was saying it was bad and ruined the furry reputation, then he wanted to start a yiff magazine for high-quality artwork. And now he's back on yiff is bad. He even had made his own Wikifur article which he deleted earlier this year. The guy is not all stable.

"Just Nonsense" or "Sheik Yerbouti" or whatever you're going to call yourself now, I know you've "no idea who I'm talking about." Of course, it's just pure coincidence that you happen to write in the exact same way about the exact same topics and often using the exact same phrases as someone else. I believe you. /s

"If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."
~John Stuart Mill~

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So basically this guy has little to no idea who he even is and uses us in comments sections as symbolic objects from his tormented psyche. Like he's not even really fighting with us, he's fighting with the voices/images in his head and projecting them onto us. That would explain a few things about his style that I found equal parts puzzling and infuriating. My main issue with far too many people in the fandom, above literally everything else wrong with them because it has come to define whatever we have that passes for a "culture" is that long-running discussions with any degree of maturity are all but impossible because people don't know (or care) about the difference between attacking a person's ideas and attacking the person.

Frankly, if most people were honest with themselves, they'd admit they don't care about ideas, they just want someone to attack, to contrast themselves with, because like this guy they don't really know who they are. That's why people never stay on the same side even when there's an obvious enemy in the room. It's why any notion of solidarity in the fandom or "cleaning up the fandom" is doomed from the word go. No one even really wants that and anyone who claims to is rightfully doubted at best and suspect at worst.

So yeah, if you're saying what I think you're saying you have a better argument for ignoring him than anything anyone else has put forward so far, whether or not you're even suggesting we ignore him. But honestly I'm curious about what this guy's history is. Dude wants attention so bad maybe we should give it to him, but, you know, in a more comprehensive, clinical way...

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Oh noes I am so busted.... woe is me.

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Well if that's the truth dude then that's the truth and it's fucking impossible to take you seriously even as a troll.

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Well, I actually did take you seriously, then you told me to go fuck my mother...
But then again... TYPICAL, TYPICAL FURFAG BEHAVIOUR

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Oh, thank you, thank you Wolf-Bone, for so bravely sticking up for me from the big bad older men! The ways you made child rape jokes, spewed racial slurs, and pontificated about my "issues" is sure to teach the dangerous troll that I am not someone to be messed with, and I deeply appreciate it. If I ever seem like I'm ungrateful, well it's just because I'm being a silly-billy and don't realize what's good for me!

Because I really do need help from this guy! He's so skillful and calculated, the way he says things like, "you should let a man put a penis inside you", and "if you laugh too much your own vagina will fall out of your mouth", it's just so deep-cutting that I cried myself to sleep every night this week. Who knows what extended exposure to such a psychopath would do to my frail sensibilities! Thanks to you, I can put off purchasing that fainting couch, at least for now.

And thank you, too, for taking the time out of your surely busy and fulfilling life, to present me with parts of your life story, so that I may examine each piece for the hidden wisdom in each. Because you're very mature (I can tell because you've reached the wizened age of "old enough to have been sad about Tupac's murder") and intelligent, and masculine, and maybe if I were more like you, I could also grow up one day to be a guy who weirdly latches onto trans people much younger than myself - and if they end up not liking me, I now know I always have "try to read them for filth on the internet" as a backup plan to rebuke their defiance.

Do you have any other bits of wisdom for me, Sir? Maybe diet and exercise? Skincare? Ooh, you could tell me what the best subreddits are!

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Okay, last one, I promise. I really just skimmed because a few sentences in I started getting flashbacks to 1997 and surprised/ashamed to see you kids still write the same. But you brought being trans into it, which I never did, and which has nothing to do with, um, anything. It's one of those things that proves you're failing even if nothing else would. Look, I'll level. Maybe I don't see you as an actual person, but you don't see me as one either, so get off your own fucking high horse, and your cross. Bye.

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Oh but Sir, if you're going to do me the huge honor of comparing me to your friend, the least I could do is continue the same!

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What an insult to kiwi farmers every where.

Racist!

But you are by no means an exceptional individual.
Once upon a time there were furries.
Then furries got clever and learnt how to manipulate the shy, quiet furries.
Unfortunately for the supposedly clever furries, their plans are so easy to see through because they're like anime fans in a way, same delusions of grandeur, same insults in the face of intelligence. Same wanking hands, same disgusting hand-drawn porn.

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Listen, being a racist is one thing, and a horrible thing at that.
Even those of us for whom it's essentially impossible to be racist are not truly immune.
There are many prejudicial impulses in humanity that could be called a kind of proto-racism.
What vexes me is when people don't see that for what it is and talk about things like fandoms as if they were races, when they hardly even come close to passing for the tribes and kingdoms and city states of the old world.
Basically what I'm saying is you yourself have at least one of the major, tragic flaws a lot of furries and anime obsessives have in that you live in fantasy and think that fantasy can be imposed on a greatly more complex reality.
Perhaps that's what I'm doing by trying to reason with you at all, living in fantasy, where that's even possible.

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Sorry but I live in the real world. I don't live in any fantasy. Rather I am getting my hands dirty contributing to seeing you all burn in 9500 degree flames

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You claim to hate furries, but you sure are spending a lot of time here on a furry site typing responses. I think you're a furry in denial. You can't be that successful or you wouldn't have time to post everything you post. Also, your self esteem must be pretty low if you need to make yourself feel better by putting others down. I'd say you're more pathetic than any of us and probably far less happy in general. Wouldn't want to be you.

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I consider it my duty or calling to take you on.. seeing that so many gave up in the past. Even godhatesfurries.com hasn’t been updated in years.
There is no denial here, only a twinge of regret of not starting sooner but hey better late than never

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So basically, you're a loser with time on their hands who chooses to use that time to be a troll. And you call us losers? Facinating.

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I'm curious, what's the significance of the 9500 degrees thing? Are we talking Celsius or Fahrenheit? I know in the first instant of a nuclear explosion it's supposed to be even hotter than the sun and I thought the sun was much hotter than 9500 degrees, but again, is that Celsius or Fahrenheit?

Anyway, there's only one number I need to answer your threats with. 450 degrees Fahrenheit. See, that's more or less the answer to the problem you and your ilk have created. We literally just burn whatever horseshit passes for literature to your kind, whether it's print media or digital media.

You people are both useless and worthless and the culture is waking up to that. That's part of the reason it's called Woke. There's literally no shame or anything worthy of guilt in us censoring you and erasing you from the annals of history. I came of age reading Orwell, by the way. So I know what I'm talking about here.

The difference is I didn't originally see it as something to use as an example of how to solve a problem, but at the time, you hadn't become that very problem yet.

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Saying people are useless is such a generally relative term.
I might be useless, but by degrees you furries are the most useless of the useless, considering that you need to live in a fantasy world and pretend you are some animal because real life is soooo bad.

I cannot be that useless then if I confront real life head on then.

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You're all but admitting that physically and economically you are useless, okay.
So with that established, what else can a person have going for them? Their ideas and what they create.
You can't create anything and your ideas are utterly fucking worthless.
Hence, YOU are worthless. What you do is who you are, is that not what we are taught?
If I am wrong teach me how I am wrong! If I am the student and you are the teacher you suck at your job!

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